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 CCTV Phase III, a 399, more than 200 papers, each page 600, the money is issued transactions, see the text on the hair, fee income within four years tens of millions of pages, the use of academic, enrichment of the Road magazine easy to find. Contributors need to graduate, professional titles should article was published, when the Chinese core journal Guide to specify a higher standard and reference, and change the taste of what the academic and examination system what should do?

Host (Dong Qian):

Welcome to

We know that shopping at the mall is clearly the price you pay, I would sell, is convenient for you benefit, but between academic journals and academic papers, but also this relationship is not it? Recently, Yan Song, you heard the news, you react?

One person (News Observer):

angry people on the surface of these academic journals such a mercenary, as if to play it enough, but the real reason is behind the We titles, including appropriate to graduate as Master of this case, evaluation criteria in question, and finally there is the academic academic epitaph, but fraud is fraud who pass such a situation.

Moderator:

then we look at the exposure of this academic journal, which is how to go down this road of commercialization.

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Commentary:

Chinese core journals.

Since 2004, this publication began a frenzied money-making, which is reported by a recent report, millions of dollars in economic class version of the article 600 yuan per 2,400 words, non-economic class of 2400 article 800 of each version of the word, such a detailed dispatch of the price scale is not to give pay royalties, but to the magazine of a clearly the cost to obtain a copy of the article published.

what this magazine published an article on how to charge with the purpose of it? published in the journal, and published papers are mentioned in the charges, economics version of the article 600 yuan per 2,400 words, non-economic class of 2400 article 800 of each version of the word, invoicing to pay additional tax of 8.5%, and in reply have marked his own bank account. To publish such a blatantly, what the quality of the published articles have strict standards to review it? An editor of the magazine, said the audit will be conducted for the paper, mainly to see the deposit of plagiarism does not exist, and if so, it certainly can not be published. But in fact, when the response, the paper has been approved, published in the journal.

in the end is what attracts people willing to spend money, papers published in the magazine it? From the Baidu search on this magazine, we can see that most of the users are the core journals in this magazine are interested in the identity of that, it seems like the core of the flagship journal, magazine seems to attract people give money as a magic door.

since 2000 and was selected the 2004 edition of Chinese core journals has been gradually increasing in this publication is the number of papers published by the issue to a Xunkan, increased by the monthly publication of a three, the number of pages from 2004 before each 138, 80 papers published in papers, increased to nearly 400 pages per issue, published in 200 papers. This calculation, according to the magazine editors listed in the price list, charging 600 yuan each to calculate the layout, a year down really is not a small figure.

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in the National Chinese core journals which also did not find the name of the magazine, the magazine had not re-elected to the 2008 edition of the Chinese core journals in the country. But in this year published In the end is the

Moderator:

we will go see

One person:

when I do not do this program, I get this if you want the magazine, I felt like I was in turn a magazine, but as this program time, know the story behind this, I suddenly found a checkbook in my turn, where all the money. What can it do? We have an account balance, the country that the appropriate journals, academic journals is that a total of 5000 varieties, then the core is not to the 1,000 kinds of periodicals, but every year there are 100 to Dr. Wan, master's graduates, The researchers also related to published papers, to be able to master by yourself, Ph.D. through, job classification, etc., etc., a seller's market, people holding you, you are not one by one individual, want to make themselves into master become a doctor into a title you can assess it? Then you have come to me, since you find my words, there are many areas where we international practice closing page charges, then I hold you, since you can not come, there is another person.

Moderator:

is that the international practice is royalty-free, then let the

One person:

not an ordinary public pool, in fact, here you have a video you can see through it to a lot of problems, not to mention the quality of a fault here, I rolled over, you and I are not learning in this area, but I think we have been able to write one, you see, what 30 years of reform and opening outlook of youth consumption, etc., a finished, the paper, here are some references , Then all this page of a paper, one of a paper, do not they just say that the video that you'll also be able to copy the look, quality first, Paul did not have any tickets, others just to make money.

and you found out, there are two very interesting detail, a detail that if you want an invoice, to pay 8.5% more, well, this can catch a current, he must tax evasion, because can not invoiced. In addition, different editing after received to this paper, gave a different bank account, you know that the magazine editors have contracted it, people do their own, if Dong Qian to the paper, one person got I could get commission, you have to sent to another editor, is the editor, get commission, you say this is a magazine or doing?

Moderator:

it is very important to the core journals, core journals but who should do, because we were the first to see it, it should be a business in the office, because it Organizers said the specific business named in the Institute of Scientific and Technical Information, which is a corporate ah, enterprise core journals can do it?

One person:

First we start with the core journals, you see here to get a Chinese University Press Guide to the core journals, core journals in the where in fact, why do this will appear in front of us, it is to collect magazines and library research to use. Precisely in the 2008 edition I saw, are aware of its own, Beijing University project leader in this area are aware of, he said, has been enlarged core journal features, and now some units of society as the core journals and evaluate the quality of standards to use and expand its role in the function of alienation, had a negative impact, we call on all sectors of society that properly understood the concept of core journals.

You see, the core of such a journal is not the original intention is others to do academic research library system and the. But now, after all, many of our titles to be published by something, tough targets you want to get a master's degree, to have tough targets to send papers, the same is true, Dr., and finally had to beg for it. So since there is such a market, the various people to have to do, especially after a few years ago after a lot of the market, are self-financing to go, so people really come to money.

Moderator:

core journals in this article are used to mark their own academic standards, and in theory should do, but no one run by a company to published such a thing, it marks what?

One person:

This is the one I have already said, that you may also want to start really, why do the beginning to have some fixed target it? One reason for that is very important not rely on people to decide, all by the teacher, then you ask me, I ask you, you master passed, so set a lot of hard. Set over rigid quotas, and found the back of this system is totally can not keep up, people magazine is now self-financing, need the money, so it took you this one, had wanted to find a fair, turned into a pseudo-fair eventually becoming completely unfair, in fact, I think it has useless.

Moderator:

Today, we see that the have received academic journals are publishing fee, called the publishing fee, which should or should not it? Then we connected a professor at Shanghai Jiaotong University, Xiong C Qi, Professor Xiong Hello.

Xiong C Qi (Shanghai Jiao Tong University):

Hello.

Moderator:

how you look at the core of academic journal publishing fee income this phenomenon, should not you think that the income received?

Bear Bingqi:

layout fee system it is not actually a very bad system is not a bad system, why do I say it? Because, as a journal in terms of its circulation on its own to maintain their own survival, this possibility is very small, because the general circulation of the journals are relatively small, so that from the perspective of its own existence, if it does not rely on to get the circulation of living space, then it must rely on the government, or academic institutions to rely on, or rely on a sponsor, then such loss of academic independence but also, it costs a certain amount of pages, you can ensure that its a financial independence, so we can see some international journals, including Science magazine, it will charge a fee chart. For example, the body of it, it is not charged, then the chart is not black and white charge, but the color chart, one to charge 600 dollars, so in fact the international fee is not our original layout, it is the international academic community also recognized as a practice, but this is not bad here in our system there was a serious variation.

Moderator:

Professor Xiong, just now you said that more rigorous academic system of foreign countries are also closing page charges, the layout of their fee income is also a standard, how much money is received a bottom line, there is on the line?

Bear Bingqi:

these it is public, that is, submission of the magazine, on its website that it is open, is transparent, of course, there are some magazines are not layout fees received, if it funded, then it does not receive page charges.

Moderator:

we say that an extreme example, called Is there any way do not you think?

Bear Bingqi:

The main problem, why we mutate page charges, the core of the problem is the complete academic evaluation system has mutated, that is, the Chief of the following evaluation system. Yan Song also said that just a matter of fact, a problem that we are now a lot of commentary titles domestic Ye Hao, graduate students answer both mean there is a condition that we publish, but the paper is to look at the number without looking at the quality of see you grade papers published in journals, without looking at your paper have a specific number of innovative value. Therefore, the number of papers care about, care about papers published in journals, but not with the paper itself, academic evaluation allows us to become a superficial and utilitarian, and ultimately makes us a lot of people go to in pursuit of this number, and the pursuit of this made the grade, and then take a variety of other measures, allows us to be a lot of paper waste paper, and this journal became a vehicle for waste paper.

Moderator:

good, Professor Xie Xiexiong, Professor Xiong just have a view right, he said, is actually not better than paper over the paper, it is a place than the published .

One person:

is hard targets, that is, the rigid target is not the last real genuine, no one to care for, and means that you need one to two made in the core journals, and then you send , and came back to me, the line to pass, we all are not serious, open eyes closed eyes in the past.

me tell you one thing more ridiculous, this is sent in, and indeed made it in this magazine, but also the emergence of a new way of deception, to the advantage of being a liar, that is, printing out the relevant cheat, you do not want to send a paper? You give me some money, I'll give you publish a paper magazine you had not, I removed one of the paper, your paper printed inside, and then swap to you, then this person can hold this magazine, back when the title of the commentary to the title of his adopted or how to do such a thing has been reported out of the news, which is more ridiculous.

so there are a university professor said such a word, very, very angry, you know, Wuhan University in 1999 and a Ph.D. is angrily resigned, resigned Ph.D., Why? One of his students, very good student, did not actually just because such papers published in journals, but can not obtain a Ph.D. degree, he said, could not have done this. Later, a professor once said, I actually have no right to decide whether students can become my Master, the Academic Committee can not, and those who collect the money they can decide the magazine, which is also where unreasonable to go.

Moderator:

today what we said is that these are not things, in which the core business journals, and that it is valuable, high gold content of the paper, then it how to identify it?

One person:

So today I have been thinking of the one is, in fact, for many years, the so-called bad money drives out good money, such an idea, why do we leave around There are many things it? Why do I say opening a final epitaph of the academic as academic, while the fake has become counterfeiters pass. Finally, you find that you really want to send papers, when people are plans to make money, this is the map editor to make money, do you think you write a great to express it? You do not give money to publish it? Can not, because it is money for the purpose, in such a case, the good things and academic exclusion, then copy, and casually down a line down, just sent money to be registered,Discount UGG boots, slowly here good things for less and less.

that some people do, determined to defend the truth, I can not do so, and I can not partake of more than 50 years old or junior titles do you think you Kangde Zhu it? Finally, the many individuals step by step, because they have to live, to survive, forcing good people, people who have moral bottom line, should be forced into the ranks of fraud which, this is actually not a fake it? So I think our social life, this is just a representation, but is reflected in the scientific field, title field in the assessment of a representation, we have a lot in life are like this, to put it to completely remove the lid to slowly change When, after 30 years of reform in China to this step.

Moderator:

you said, we state more than 5000 journals, of which there are one-fifth of the core journals, not sure who would do such a task is the inside is really, true to its collection of good papers out, how many?

One person:

fact, I'm afraid you will find that a few years ago are still many, then less and less, because that bad money drives out good money, so we all did, angrily resigned That, as I speak, angrily resigned doctoral large force was back in the schools of multi-persuasion, he began as a teacher, and again when the Ph.D. was. Then a reporter wanted to interview him about the core issue of the journal, he refused to answer, he said that even our schools have already started with such a journal, have begun to price tag, and what can I say.

Moderator:

academic market, we look at the active, on the one hand is unhealthy academic journals, on the other hand because of strong demand, why is it so? Wait to continue our program.

Moderator:

said in the conversation, we have been referred to a core concept is the core journals, this thing is it is very important because people are professional title, get a degree when It all apply, it is a core journal in the end what is it? A look.

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Commentary:

this thick book is a high degree of tension caused by periodical publishers, It is nothing to boast about, but if one can be it in publications, this journal might be worth rose immediately. From 1992 to 2008, it has been published in a five-edition, So what is a what kind of book? It is why we have so much power?

University Press, textbook provision particularly tense, journal itself, the rate of increase is very fast, so therefore the funding of our textbook, the contradiction between the number of journals, so we hope to use this limited funding, the reader can try to buy the most required publications, collection development for the purpose of us, when we decided to pursue this project.

Commentary:

should be said that this is just a general reference book, if traced, then the concept of core journals can be traced back to the 19th century,UGG bailey button, the British 30 years, when he Nanken Star Dayton Science Librarian Bradford, in 1934 wrote a treatise The main function is to help libraries develop appropriate collection strategies, and the purchase and collection of usage as much as possible at the top of that batch of publications, to meet the needs of most readers.

of 70 from the last century, began to introduce the concept of core journals, the first translation of the list of core journals of science and technology abroad, and the like, and then slowly transition to the operation of China's own journals, at the beginning are still everything is normal, however, no one thought that the subsequent emergence of alienation.

core journals have had special study of the scholars have found an opportunity for mutation appeared in 1999, from the beginning of that period, many schools have been on Allowance system, originally designed to increase teacher pay, and pull the income distance in order to provoke competition, but by any objective standards to measure it? Thus, the core journals as this important task. As an opportunity to change things more aliasing, to confer degrees from the declaration, reporting fund projects, evaluation award, to the national college rankings, graduate school, we must look at the number of core journal articles, core journals will become sets of the students and instructors in the head of a straitjacket.

University Press,UGG shoes, also feel helpless, because for us, we just do a research project is not, this outcome is not our wish to see. We, as a subject like this, but you have such phenomena, you have to ask those scientific research institutions, they should develop what kind of objective criteria.

Commentary:

Indeed, a book is only a tool, the key is how to use it in reality. It is worth mentioning that the first result for the core journals absurd situation, the State Press and Publication General Administration of Press Secretary in November 2002 have had a cautious attitude: rate, reprint rates, abstracts rate were determined. Identification of core journals is the standard developed by some university libraries, and the appraisal of the school library, entry standards are not the same also failed to play a role in correcting. So, from this incident once again raised the debate on the core journals, we can get what inspired him?

Moderator:

you say From inside the core journals, we get an assessment of the rigid target, and now it appears a lot of problems, but we wanted to, it does not, the problem came out again, so that more space range, then in the end there is a or not?

One person:

not is unlikely, but to greatly reduce the need to solve their own by sending master's thesis, doctoral, or professional title. For example, our Teachers, does it have to publish in academic journals it? this has led to our little rural teachers are not eligible to make their titles to become more liter level. Furthermore, our master now many colleges and universities have begun to gradually Do not take this indicator come, for example in Japan, it is not by scientists published papers, but through his academic achievements and for a long period of time to evaluate the academic title of this ability. So I think our social life Among many, many titles published so you can break through the meeting, you can stop.

Another thing I really, really, that is, not like those kind of things one after another, we always take the international practice for things, but do not go to international practice, there is a better system to do behind the protection. For instance, we say that the academic journals of foreign money, `All the money, many do not collect the money. And you know, For instance in Europe, sometimes it's academic journals, 12 the body is not money, you're a 12-page paper If we are not out of money within the solution, collect the money after 12. In addition, color charts, etc. and so was money, not all make money. one more thing, I do not know no time, it is very important, we did not learn how to do, foreign academic journals, the reviewer is not the right hands in the editing Do you think an academic journal editors, have the ability to determine the level of high paper? they are from academic journals to determine the academic advisers, academic advisers are afraid to go favors the wind, I gave him my students passed,UGG boots, with two-way anonymously to referees, a magazine paper by the anonymous, reviewers from academic advisers to ensure that its scientific, independence and fairness.

China is a professor, he more than a dozen academic journal is the academic advisor, but also abroad, the academic adviser two academic journals, but this more than a dozen domestic academic journals, almost did not find that he had issued on the trial, while constantly looking for him abroad, and each papers he must provide more than one page view, which determines that he must be very carefully reading this thesis in order to write the page above. These so-called international practice, the system behind it we do not learn how?

Moderator:

this appears to be ignorant people, for their own benefit, in fact this is the biggest rip off their own, from a person speaking that is, the state is not even more so you?

One person:

and that such a system as soon as possible if you do not go and change, I think it is going to change the two roads, the road is the first academic journals must implement more stringent management, like difficult, it is a lot of control in society are tired enough to choke newspapers and magazines, academic journals to relate to a lot of scientific research institutions, but must be very strict screening, should be reduced.

the other hand, the most important within our universities and community among the various academic and professional titles evaluation system must be radically changed, otherwise it will be alive and well, died today of a modern supermarket Nobel Prize to let this level, let the status quo.

One person:

This is a must cause people to think of things, bad money drives out good money, looking at a very academic argument, in fact life, it makes you very, very worried, that in fact there are many who want to stick to their own moral bottom line, the academic bottom line, and many many good things, but in real life forced him to step step into, and I can only fake pass, I do not fake I could be a epitaph, like Shu Ting, or who had written a poem Goddess Peak, Shu Ting, and its exhibition on the cliff of years, as in lover's shoulder crying one night, these words are particularly relevant, I stick with my own moral bottom line, but in the end what I had not, and finally, I might as well embrace the reality of one night crying, get my own interests , that was not feasible.

so this to this point, I think was able to reveal it, because the past two years, one after another of our media, the role that public opinion more and more, one after another Many people take for granted, commonplace things around there at any time, is being on show, it's time to change into.

Moderator:

academic is a country, a nation nutrients, which have poisoned this nutrient, this down to not know how to.

One person:

right, so I think a lot of universities like the master, when assessed , this provision has been canceled, and I hope that all can been canceled, there are a lot of this job classification must also be made of this, teachers must be made, journalists, we are facing this problem. In fact, we know, you said that you journalists rely on the news, not your paper.